Then-President Donald Trump knew there would be violence on January 6, 2021, but still used threatening “mafia-type” rhetoric against his vice president to pep up his supporters, according to British documentary filmmaker Alex Holder.
“It was so obvious” that there would be violence, Holder said on the Yahoo podcast “Skullduggery” earlier this week. This was Trump’s “last hurrah,” he added. “Obviously he had the ludicrous idea that interfering with this ceremonial process of certifying these results could somehow prevent President Biden from being inaugurated.”
Holder, who interviewed Trump and his family before and after the election for his documentary “Unprecedented,” was “absolutely” convinced that there would be violence that day and said it would be “unreasonable” to believe Trump would look otherwise. thought about.
But Trump, who used what Holder called a “wink, wink-mafia-esque rhetoric,” at the same time told his supporters he “wouldn’t be very happy” with Vice President Mike Pence if he didn’t throw out the election results during the congressional session. of January 6 to certify the Electoral College census.
Trump took no action to prevent the violence. Nor did he tell his supporters on the day of the uprising to leave the Capitol until hours after the violence broke out. He also told the rioters, “We love you.”
Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, testified on Tuesday before the House select committee investigating the insurgency that Trump also knew that people at his meeting at the Ellipse that day had guns. Still, he wanted them to be allowed to march with the rest of the crowd to the United States Capitol without going through screening stations, according to Hutchinson’s testimony.
Hutchinson also testified that she was told Trump threw a tantrum and grabbed the wheel of the SUV he was driving when the Secret Service refused to take him to the Capitol that day to join the insurgents.
Trump’s frame of mind, his anticipation of violence coupled with urging his supporters to “fight like hell” for the Capitol attack, and his plan to be part of it, are likely to factor into decisions from the Justice Department on whether or not to accuse the former president of crimes related to the uprising, according to The Associated Press.
In the Yahoo podcast, he called Trump “insane” and “incredibly dangerous.” He described the former president as being in “cloud cuckoo country” because of his baseless claims about rigged elections.
He is ‘not a rational player. I mean, he’s just not,” Holder said in his assessment of Trump based on a number of interviews with him. “You can’t talk to him in the same way as most other people. He is someone who lives in a different reality.”
He added: “You can’t argue with that person. No one can convince Donald Trump that he is wrong… He will never accept that he has done something wrong. He will always double down, he’s always right, and it’s always someone else’s fault.”
Holder was given extraordinary access to Trump and his children Ivanka, Eric and Donald Trump Jr. before and after the 2020 election. for his documentary. He compared the family to the immersive, conspiracy of the family from the HBO TV series ‘Succession’.
They were comfortable talking to him because they all believed Trump would win reelection, Holder said.
They were “very, very confident they would win the election,” Holder said. Their “overconfidence was just absolutely remarkable.”
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