Recap ‘The Flash’ Season 8 Episode 19 — [Spoiler] Dies, Thawne returns

The following contains spoilers from the June 22 episode of The flash.

In December, at the end of the fourth episode of the “Armageddon” event, viewers saw Tom Cavanagh’s misguided Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash slip into the STAR Labs time vault. and ominously declaring, “Nobody uses time against me!”

Cavanagh, in turn, told TVLine at the time that his villainous alter ego likes to speed up when he unfolds diabolical conspiracies.

Well, the sinister speedster’s time bomb went off tree in The flashthe penultimate episode of season 8, when a series of incredible events that we won’t attempt to summarize here 1) Thawne in the rapid age of Negative Still Force imprisoned in a withered corpse, 2) Iris in the line of Barry’s lightning set fire , when it became clear that she, and not Eobard from Fast Track Labs, was a “sacrifice” to be made, and 3) Matt Letscher’s Eobard ripped open his head to reveal that Tom Cavanagh’s version was hidden inside, and again a speed demon.

Yes. It was a lot.

TVLine happily jumped on the phone with Cavanagh to at least try to break through this week’s wild/deadly events and get a sense of what it means for Reverse-Flash’s season ending plan.

TVLINE So I just finished watching this week’s episode… Tom, what the hell have I been watching?
I do not know, for I have not seen it; I honestly don’t know what’s in it. I mean, I know I shot it, but we shot as a whole group in a row, so I’m not sure which one you saw. But if you like it, that’s fine too!

TVLINE To refresh your memory, Matt Letscher just peeled his skull in half, and you jumped out.
Oh good. That’s a good thing!

TVLINE It’s a very uncomfortable image. You have to tune in and see it.
You know, I direct some, like, Flash and Superman & Loisand you can write [the words] on the page, right, and you say, “Yeah, easy!” But then you think, “Wait, how exactly are we filming this??” You have to do like still image or motion capture, or have all these different tools at your disposal. There were a lot of technical aspects to that scene, so I know that one.

TVLINE Right after watching this, I called up episode 4 of this season where you were in the time vault and Thawne hissed, “Nobody uses time against me† Are we seeing the pinnacle of that threat?
You’d better write this than I can say it, because that’s a great way to say it. It is real. Well done.

TVLINE The last time you and I spoke, you noticed that Thawne likes to “temper” herself.
And that’s exactly what I was looking for, because at the time we spoke, you don’t want the audience ahead of you and you don’t want to say too much. But for people who are really involved with the show in the sense that you are, you want them to be like, “Look, I’m not teasing you. This is will pay off.”

Flash 8x19TVLINE There is a lot from this episode. Will there be some sort of swaggering recap of Thawne à la “Here’s everything that happened in the past six months that you didn’t know was all part of my long game”? Even something as recent as when the Negative Still Force was rapidly aging you in the ARGUS cell. At that point, we thought, “Oh, Tom Cavanagh’s character is… terribly now dead.”
It would, I think, be a real surprise to me if they look at a death by a character I’ve ever played – all 20! – and thought “That’s it for that man” Especially the Reverse-Flash. What is the Batman without the Joker?

TVLINE Is it safe to say that everything went according to plan for Thawne?
That’s a great way to say it. I think over the years we’ve said a variation of this rule over and over, about how he’s always 20 steps ahead, always 40 steps ahead, and this is a great example of Thawne having a number steps ahead of Team Flash.

TVLINE There was a moment at the very end of this week’s episode that I actually did not understand because I was watching a rough draft and the visual effects were temporary. After dying, Iris turns into a cloud of particles that float in Matt Letscher before turning into you. Do you know what was going on there?
Do I know what was going on? Secure. Yes. I know what was going on. I’m not going to do that narrate you because I have WB snipers on the roof all around me. It’s all like I said, he’s 10 steps ahead and it’s all mapped out and it makes sense when you see the next episode.

Flash Iris diesTVLINE How concerned should we be about Iris?
At first I thought “How can you do the show without Iris?” but Carlos Valdez also felt like the heart and soul of the show…. As long as the numbers are there I think the show will last . So I Guess you might worry about Iris, but that depends on the individual’s worry meter.

TVLINE Over the years, and especially when you stopped being a regular, have you said when The Flash comes to an end, come back because we need to get that last Batman/Joker, Flash/Reverse-Flash showdown. Is this Thateven though the show was revamped?
I do not think so. I think that will be up to Greg Berlanti and the people at Warner Brothers. It’s never been my call to say [it must end with] Flash/Reverse Flash. That’s exactly what Grant and I have always talked about, and Berlanti has talked about it, because it makes sense. The other thing is that if the show goes on for another 20 years because Gustin keeps doing it, maybe it wouldn’t be such a good idea to pit several hundred year olds against each other. I think a lot will be determined by the success of the show and how many seasons they have, how many stories they have to keep telling.

TVLINE Now that Thawne has his speed back, does he have a plan?
Thawne always has a plan.

TVLINE Knowing that things aren’t always filmed on the same day, I’m curious if you and Matt Letscher ever got to hang out on set? you to have shared custody of this character for eight years.
Greg Berlanti hired Matt and I several times, we did Eli Stone together…. Through Berlanti, Matt and I seem to run into each other repeatedly, and it’s so funny because we’ve worn grunge clothes, we’ve worn good suits, we’ve worn old-fashioned clothes, and then it was like, “Oh, yeah, we wear super-fast suits here!’ He’s talented and charming, and it’s always a pleasure when those paths cross, we got to hang out here, and again, like I said, it’s always great to see him.

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