How the House Jan. Thursday’s 6, Focusing on Trump’s “Relentless” Pressure on Pence

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is set to hold its third in a series of public hearings Thursday at 1 p.m. ET.

CBS News will broadcast the hearing as a Special Report.

Vice-chairman of the committee Rep. Liz Cheney tweeted a preview of the hearing, proverb it would target “President Trump’s relentless effort on Jan. 6 and in the days before that to pressure Vice President Pence to refuse to count legitimate electoral votes.”

Pence’s Former Counsel Greg Jacob and conservative lawyer J. Michael Luttig, who has advised Pence, will appear. Two people familiar with Luttig’s anticipated testimony, who were not authorized to discuss details of the hearing, told CBS News that: he is expected to tell the committee “America’s democracy was almost stolen from her.”

Luttig will also likely argue that the Republican National Committee has erroneously referred to some of the events of January 6, 2021 as “legitimate political discourse”, and he will warn fellow conservatives not to ignore the seriousness of what Trump did when he tried to hold onto the presidency that day.

Luttig will also reveal how he advised then-Vice President Mike Pence to resist Trump’s pleas for Pence to block congressional certification of Joe Biden’s election victory.

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Former President Donald Trump speaks in a video exhibit as the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the United States Capitol holds a hearing to reveal its findings on Monday, June 13, 2022.

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There will also be a video of the testimony of former Pence chief of staff Marc Short, but he will not be a live witness, committee officials said Wednesday.

The committee’s aides also said on Wednesday that there will be four parts of the hearing. First, the committee will examine the appearance of the theory by: attorney John Eastman and others that the vice president could unilaterally reject voters. Subsequently, aides said the commission will focus on the rejection of that theory by Pence’s lawyers, a “group of committed officials who kept their oath” and gave Pence “sound advice” that he did not have the authority.

Third, aides said the committee will present the pressure campaign on Pence, with Trump both participating and trying to rally his supporters to get them to pressure the vice president himself. The commission will argue that this contributed directly to the attack on the Capitol and endangered Pence’s life. Aides said the commission will have testimonies from both living witnesses and witness testimony on the subject.

Finally, aides said the committee will present that there is an ongoing threat to democracy because there are still people advocating election manipulation, while at the same time there were people in the White House who had the opinion expressed by former White House senior advisor and attorney Eric Herschmann, that Eastman would need a good criminal defense attorney.

Cheney showed a video clip on Tuesday of testimony from Herschmann talking about a conversation he had with Eastman on January 7, 2021 – the day after the riots. Herschmann said Eastman said something about Georgia and kept something for profession, and Herschmann said he replied, “Have you gone mad? I said I just want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on: Orderly transition.”

Herschmann added that he told Eastman, “Now I’m going to give you the best free legal advice you’ll ever get in your life: Get a great criminal defense attorney, you’re going to need it.” And then I hung up.”

The inclusion of the Herschmann clip suggests Thursday’s hearing will look at Eastman’s role. CBS News has obtained records showing: Eastman pushed the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to undo President Joe Biden’s victory in the state and send “an alternate slate of voters” for Trump.

Cheney said in her opening statement last week that the committee will present email exchanges between Eastman and Jacob, Pence’s attorney. “Jacob said this to Mr. Eastman: ‘Thanks to your nonsense we are under siege,'” Cheney said.

On Wednesday, the committee released surveillance footage showing: GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk leads a group of people on a tour of the Capitol complex the day before the attack, with some guests documenting locations such as stairs, security checkpoints and hallways.

The committee asked Loudermilk last month for information on a tour he led through the Capitol complex before the attack. louder milk refused that he once gave a tour of the Capitol itself on January 5, when it was closed to tourists due to the COVID-19 pandemic. After reviewing security footage, United States Capitol Police determined last month that there was “no evidence” that Loudermilk led the group into the Capitol, saying, “We don’t consider any of the activity we’ve observed as suspicious.”

But the committee suggested otherwise in a letter to Loudermilk on Wednesday. The new footage shows the congressman “lead a tour of about ten people led by you to areas in the Rayburn, Longworth and Cannon House office buildings, as well as the entrances to tunnels leading to the United States Capitol,” chairman of the the Committee, Rep. benny. Thompson wrote. The group stayed for “several hours,” he wrote, and some “photographed and recorded parts of the complex not normally of interest to tourists.”

Thompson said Wednesday the video will not be used during Thursday’s hearing.

What was scheduled as the third hearing Wednesday was postponed The committee said that on Tuesday. There was some uncertainty about the reason for the delay. Commissioner Rep. Zoe Lofgren said the delay was due to “technical issues” with the staff putting together the video presentation. But a committee spokesman said the delay was “due to a number of planning factors, including production timeline and availability of members and witnesses.”

Meanwhile, committee member Rep. Pete Aguilar Tuesday that the schedule has “always been fluid”.

The committee has scheduled two more public hearings: Tuesday, June 21 at 1 p.m. ET and Thursday, June 23 at 1 p.m. ET. Thompson said on Wednesday the committee plans to conclude hearings this month, meaning two more are yet to be scheduled.

Zak Hudak contributed to the report.

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